Consigli per l' acquisto dell' ottica

Messaggioda **piccoloshooter** » ven mar 15, 13:52:43

Ciao a tutti, come da titolo devo acquistare un' ottica, purtroppo per motivi economici di fascia media, non posso nemmeno avvicinarmi a swaro, zeiss, leupold ecc....la carabina sulla quale andrà montata è una tikka T3 Lite, l' uso sarà sia per la caccia che per il tiro al poligono.
Voi che avete sicuramente + conoscenze, che mi consigliate ????

Messaggioda **Blackrifle** » ven mar 15, 13:57:31

budget?

Messaggioda **piccoloshooter** » ven mar 15, 14:06:27

400/500

Messaggioda **mimmo002** » ven mar 15, 15:37:50

se ti serve per la caccia deve essere a ingrandimenti variabili e molto luminosa, quindi .......costosa

Messaggioda **Blackrifle** » ven mar 15, 15:44:42

guarda tra le nikon, le vortex viper, le knonus oppure lupold ma cerca oltreoceano

Messaggioda **rommel** » dom mar 17, 21:36:04

prova a vedere anche le hawke non sono male come lenti e meccanica

Messaggioda **piccoloshooter** » mer mar 20, 14:30:42

diversi mi consigliano la Konus.... rapporto qualità prezzo buono. Si certo la luminosità è una prerogativa :-)

Messaggioda **ordotempli** » mer mar 20, 15:32:43

Konus ? L'ho rivenduta il giorno dopo l'acquisto.

Messaggioda **Calico** » mer mar 20, 15:38:31

Purtroppo ottica ed economicità non vanno d'accordo....a meno che non si capisca che il futuro è pur sempre la tecnologia e si cominci a costruire ottiche elettroniche, con un minimo di gruppi silicei frontali e un bel contorno di circuiti e un visore, che consentirebbero tutta una serie di accorgimenti elettronici facilmente ammortizzabili con le produzioni orientali: pensate che un obiettivo elettronico può avere la definizione che vogliamo, ha pochi limiti agli ingrandimenti, è facilmente inseribile un giroscopio antitremolio come chiunque possiede una recente microcamera elettronica può constatare.

Messaggioda **piccoloshooter** » ven mar 22, 10:00:07

C' è anche chi con la Konus si è trovato bene...ma penso che il bene e il male sia in ogni cosa ... C'è chi si trova bene con le sw ma c'è anche chi si trova male. vediamo un' altro armiere mi consiglia nikko...boooo

Messaggioda **Calico** » ven mar 22, 12:07:16

Ripensandoci: hai dato un'occhiata all'usato?

Messaggioda **piccoloshooter** » sab mar 23, 14:57:08

no nulla ....mmmm usato che deve essere supergarantito ...difficile da trovare... sto vedendo la viper pst ...sembra veramente una buona otica...qualcuno sa dirmi qualcosa?????

Messaggioda **tonino** » sab mar 23, 15:15:30

Calico ha scrittoColonPurtroppo ottica ed economicità non vanno d'accordo....a meno che non si capisca che il futuro è pur sempre la tecnologia e si cominci a costruire ottiche elettroniche, con un minimo di gruppi silicei frontali e un bel contorno di circuiti e un visore, che consentirebbero tutta una serie di accorgimenti elettronici facilmente ammortizzabili con le produzioni orientali: pensate che un obiettivo elettronico può avere la definizione che vogliamo, ha pochi limiti agli ingrandimenti, è facilmente inseribile un giroscopio antitremolio come chiunque possiede una recente microcamera elettronica può constatare.

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$17,000 Linux-powered rifle brings “auto-aim” to the real world
Austin-based startup makes “Precision Guided Firearms” sporting a lot of tech.
by Lee Hutchinson - Jan 9 2013, 9:45pm -100

CyberwarSocial Media199 Ars at CES 2013
Shedding some realistic light on Imagination's real-time ray tracing cardThe best 802.11ac routers featured at CESFastest Wi-Fi ever is almost ready for real-world useCES 2013: a window into the coming year's technology trendsAndroid Apps of CES entertain your kids and enhance your conversationsView all… CES is about technology of all kinds; while we're busy covering cameras, TVs, and CPUs, there's a huge number of products that fall outside our normal coverage. Austin-based startup TrackingPoint isn't typical Ars fare, but its use of technology to enable getting just the perfect shot was intriguing enough to get me to stop by and take a look at the company's products.

TrackingPoint makes "Precision Guided Firearms, or "PGFs," which are a series of three heavily customized hunting rifles, ranging from a .300 Winchester Magnum with a 22-inch barrel up to a .338 Lapua Magnum with 27-inch barrel, all fitted with advanced computerized scopes that look like something directly out of The Terminator. Indeed, the comparison to that movie is somewhat apt, because looking through the scope of a Precision Guided Firearm presents you with a collection of data points and numbers, all designed to get a bullet directly from point A to point B.

The view through the TrackingPoint's computerized optics.
TrackingPointThe PGF isn't just a fancy scope on top of a rifle. All together, the PGF is made up of a firearm, a modified trigger mechanism with variable weighting, the computerized digital tracking scope, and hand-loaded match grade rounds (which you need to purchase from TrackingPoint). This is a little like selling both the razor and the razor blades, but the rounds must be manufactured to tight tolerances since precise guidance of a round to a target by the rifle's computer requires that the round perform within known boundaries.

Enlarge / The TrackingPoint XS1, chambered in a .338 Lapua Magnum, with a 27-inch Krieger barrel and 300 grain match rounds.
TrackingPointThe image displayed on the scope isn't a direct visual, but rather a video image taken through the scope's objective lens. The Linux-powered scope produces a display that looks something like the heads-up display you'd see sitting in the cockpit of a fighter jet, showing the weapon's compass orientation, cant, and incline. To shoot at something, you first "mark" it using a button near the trigger. Marking a target illuminates it with the tracking scope's built-in laser, and the target gains a pip in the scope's display. When a target is marked, the tracking scope takes into account the range of the target, the ambient temperature and humidity, the age of the barrel, and a whole boatload of other parameters. It quickly reorients the display so the crosshairs in the center accurately show where the round will go.

Image recognition routines keep the pip stuck to the marked target in the scope's field of view, and at that point, you squeeze the trigger. This doesn't fire the weapon; rather, the reticle goes from blue to red, and while keeping the trigger held down, you position the reticle over the marked target's pip. As soon as they coincide, the rifle fires.

Enlarge / Mark a target, squeeze the trigger, and line up the crosshairs to the target's pip.
TrackingPointTrackingPoint is quick to emphasize the rifle doesn't fire "by itself," but rather the trigger's pull force is dynamically raised to be very high until the reticle and pip coincide, at which point the pull force is reset to its default. In this way, the shooter is still in control of the rifle's firing, and at any point prior to firing you can release the trigger. In the mockups the company had on display for the press to experiment with, the action appeared to be the same—I pulled the trigger and lined up the dots and the blue plastic toy gun went click.

Enlarge / The computerized scope.
TrackingPointHaving the round fire when the shot is lined up rather than in immediate response to a trigger pull eliminates a tremendous amount of uncertainty from the shot. Even the most experienced shooters can upset a weapon's aim when pulling the trigger, and overcoming the reflex to twitch or preemptively move against a weapon's recoil is very, very difficult. By allowing the computer to choose the precise moment to take the shot, accuracy is greatly enhanced.

Putting lead accurately on targets is only part of what TrackingPoint's PGF system does. The computerized tracking scope contains some amount of nonvolatile storage, and like an airplane's "black box," it's constantly recording the visual feed from the optics. It also contains a small Wi-Fi server, and TrackingPoint offers an iOS app that connects to the scope via an ad-hoc Wi-Fi network and streams the scope's display to the app, allowing someone with an iPad or iPhone to act as a spotter. TrackingPoint notes that for novice hunters, having the ability to duplicate the scope's picture onto an external display makes it a lot easier for an experienced spotter to give advice on how and when to shoot.

Enlarge / The iPad app mirrors the scope's display, allowing a spotter to assist with shots.
TrackingPointThere's a social media aspect, too—the scope's video recordings can be uploaded to video sharing sites like YouTube. Rather than bragging to buddies about that amazing 1000-yard shot you took at the range or out in the field last week, you can simply show them, complete with all the heads-up display data about conditions and range.

TrackingPoint had one actual rifle on display in the press room, along with several mock-ups equipped with iPhones in place of scopes. The iPhones were running a simulated version of the TrackingPoint scope software, letting demo users line up their shots on polygonal deer and hogs in a landscape much like popular hunting video games. It felt a bit like playing with an "easy mode" cheat turned on, though, as it was nearly impossible to miss, even at tremendous distances. TrackingPoint is considering selling the demo software as a standalone hunting app, though from my brief experience with it, there wasn't a whole lot of challenge to felling game once you had the mark-and-fire procedure worked out.

This might not make a compelling video game, but it certainly does make for an accurate weapon system. TrackingPoint says the "first shot success probability"—that is, a shooter's ability to successfully land a round on target in a single try—is drastically increased. The TrackingPoint representatives present brought this up when I commented on the necessity of buying (more expensive) ammunition directly from TrackingPoint rather than buying or loading one's own rounds. TrackingPoint contends the ability to be drastically more precise with aiming means fewer rounds have to be fired for the same effect, ultimately saving money.

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TrackingPointI asked about potential military applications, since they are obvious, but TrackingPoint was quick to downplay involvement with the Department of Defense. The "connected shooter" goal of the PGF system in many ways lines up with the Army's limping, on-again-off-again Land Warrior program. However, the very nature of the government contract and procurement process ensures that any technology developed for military use must go through an incredibly lengthy and convoluted development process, meeting shifting and sometimes outdated design goals along the way. TrackingPoint said that its goal is to produce the technology first, and then find the market and applications once it actually had something ready to go—and this is what it has done.

The company is also keenly aware of the potential negative public perception right now around firearms and firearm manufactures, in the wake of recent mass-shooting events like the ones in Sandy Hook and Aurora. The three models of PGF are bolt-action hunting rifles, unwieldy for any kind of close-quarters work; the tracking system itself requires patience and care to line up and fire, and it doesn't appear at all to be the kind of thing a mass-shooter would employ. At this time, TrackingPoint indicated that it has no intention of producing a PGF system for anything other than bolt-action rifles.

Hunting is a controversial pastime, but it's an undeniably popular one, and TrackingPoint is dialed in very well at its target market. The price is relatively high—the rifles start at about $17,000 (a price which includes an iPad with the TrackingPoint app pre-configured and ready to go), but that isn't a huge premium over parting together one's own rifle and precision optics.

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Messaggioda **tonino** » sab mar 23, 15:16:58

Pensavo di inserire la foto,invece ................scusate appena ci riesco posto la foto!

Messaggioda **tonino** » sab mar 23, 15:27:10

Comunque Calico digita tracking point e ti si aprira un mondo elettronico come quello che sogni !!

Messaggioda **Calico** » sab mar 23, 19:21:34

Io sogno poco, poiché non mi serve, ma è il futuro: come possiamo pensare a un'ottica perfetta anche in penombra, addirittura al buio con l'opzione infrarossa a colori, con zummata da 2x a 40x visibile benissimo anche di notte, con definizione eccezionale, senza deformazioni prospettiche, stabilizzata contro il tremolio, senza rivolgerci all'elettronica?

Messaggioda **mimmo002** » sab mar 23, 22:28:17

per un attimo vedendo quella pagginona in inglese , mi e venuto da pensare allo spammatore e stavo quasi per eliminarla.
ma....esattamente che dice ?

Messaggioda **tonino** » dom mar 24, 00:05:23

E che ne so' !!! :uhaha:

Messaggioda **mimmo002** » dom mar 24, 05:05:52

tonino ha scrittoColonE che ne so' !!!

Messaggioda **Calico** » dom mar 24, 11:43:05

Ora i signori del forum, grandi illuminati e custodi del tempio ci appenderanno ai pennoni come delle bandiere

Messaggioda **ordotempli** » dom mar 24, 11:47:03

Esporvi sui pennoni ... perchè peggiorare, in maniera così visibile, una così magra figura ?

Mi ricordo di un noto e sedicente "giornalista" che, non avendo argomenti, esponeva mutande.

Messaggioda **tonino** » dom mar 24, 15:28:02

Ordo non ho grande dimestichezza con il computer ,volevo inserire una foto con il copia incolla ed e venuto fuori tutto lo scritto !!comunque se non conosci l inglese perche sei ignorante [in scienze linguistiche] salta tutto lo scritto e vai direttamente al prezzo,se hai 17000[diciasettemila ]dollari che ti pesano,vedo di farti tradurre il testo da mia moglie :uhaha:

Messaggioda **ordotempli** » dom mar 24, 19:15:45

Ignori ( nel senso che non conosci ) il mio passato Oxfordiano. ( St. John College ) e le mie frequentazioni al L.M.H.

Se c'è qualcosa che non comprendo è decisamente quella bazzecola dei 17.000 US$ che citi con l'intento di spaventarmi .....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvbyAcYjzlc

Messaggioda **tonino** » dom mar 24, 19:40:21

Sapevo che quella cifra l 'avresti giudicata ridicola non sapevo invece dei tuoi studi

Messaggioda **piccoloshooter** » lun mar 25, 14:17:09

Quindi per l' ottica della vortex ???

Messaggioda **Calico** » lun mar 25, 16:43:51

Quando studiava assieme a Guglielmo da Baskerville....

Messaggioda **tonino** » lun mar 25, 18:21:05

Calico ha scrittoColonQuando studiava assieme a Guglielmo da Baskerville....

Messaggioda **ordotempli** » lun mar 25, 18:37:26

Non l'ho mai conosciuto .... ma molto tempo dopo sentii parlare di lui perchè era solito giocare con una rosa che gli faceva Eco ...

A quel tempo, intorno al a. D. 1300 i collegi di Oxford erano ancora dei conventi intorno ai quali si venne coagulando la futura unviversità, e quei collegi ne conservano tuttora la struttura, anche operativa. A quel tempo erano già funzionanti gli "Studi" di Napoli (1225 fondata da Federico II) e, poco dopo Bologna a.D. 1317 ( ma una ipotesi formulata da un Comitato riporta al 1088 la data della sua immaginaria nascita) , che avevano già, in nuce, una struttura organizzativa laica.

Messaggioda **Calico** » lun mar 25, 19:29:12

L'epoca dell'indovinello veronese, della causa di usucapione dell'abazzia di Montecassino e, poco prima, della Guaita di Travale.

Messaggioda **tonino** » lun mar 25, 19:54:52

Calico tu non intrometterti!qouei tempi tu li hai studiati LUI li ha vissuti!!!! :risata:

Messaggioda **ordotempli** » lun mar 25, 20:11:40

Nacqui quattro secoli dopo ... ma era vexata questio anche ai miei tempi ... molti del volgo sostenevano le ragioni del contadino adducendo abusi di potere dell' Ordine Benedettino ... come sempre in queste terre tutto oscilla tra il potere della forza e la forza del potere.
Per quanto io abbia personalmente indagato quelle terre contese erano in realtà della Abbazia da oltre un secolo, quelle terre, tuttavia, erano una sassaia incoltivabile e, pertanto, pressocchè abbandonate. In tempi di crisi, nei suoli adiacenti, qualcuno piantò degli olivi con qualche successo tendendo appetibili quelle terre e, proprio questo, scatenò la contesa che sarebbe rimasta ben poco rilevante se non per la ufficiale nascita e l'affermarsi del " volgare " linguaggio.

Messaggioda **waltherp38** » lun mar 25, 23:23:12

« Sao ko kelle terre, per kelle fini que ki contene, trenta anni le possette parte Sancti Benedicti. »

"separebabouesalbaprataliaaraba & albouersorioteneba & negrosemenseminaba"

Messaggioda **tonino** » mar mar 26, 01:08:12

almeno metti la punteggiatura ...possino acciaccatte!!non bastava Ordo !ti ci dovevi mettere pure tu !!!!!

Messaggioda **mimmo002** » mar mar 26, 04:34:33

waltherp38 ha scrittoColon« Sao ko kelle terre, per kelle fini que ki contene, trenta anni le possette parte Sancti Benedicti. »

"separebabouesalbaprataliaaraba & albouersorioteneba & negrosemenseminaba"

e sarebbe ?

Messaggioda **ordotempli** » mar mar 26, 04:57:39

http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indovinello_veronese

Messaggioda **waltherp38** » mar mar 26, 09:55:18

tonino ha scrittoColonalmeno metti la punteggiatura ...possino acciaccatte!!non bastava Ordo !ti ci dovevi mettere pure tu !!!!!

Messaggioda **Calico** » mar mar 26, 12:42:10

Alba pratalia araba, nigro semen seminaba...

Ma che caspita di versione? Leggete il Petronio!
La guaita é custodita qui in vescovado; se mi ricordo la posto :lo:

Messaggioda **waltherp38** » mar mar 26, 12:52:10

Si caro ma era scritta di seguito perché l'amanuense doveva provare se lo stelo scriveva bene...un po' come quando facciamo con le bic nuove per far scendere l'inchiostro :ok:

Messaggioda **mimmo002** » mar mar 26, 15:22:42

stiamo degenerando

Messaggioda **Calico** » gio mar 28, 20:01:52

Siamo "degenerati"? :roll:

Messaggioda **mimmo002** » gio mar 28, 21:28:00

Calico ha scrittoColonSiamo "degenerati"?